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Automatic Nate
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posted 08-03-1999 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Automatic Nate   Click Here to Email Automatic Nate     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
It seems that many people in here take Romans 13 at its word and believe that God institutes governments for the purpose of keeping order. If that is the case, why do people so fear the so-called "New World Order" that the United Nations is trying to bring about? Isn't that just another form of government?

Also, why are people still villainizing socialism? Isn't the cold war over? Aren't there Christians in Nicaragua who have attempted to establish Christian communism there? Couldn't we accept that as another way that God could work?

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Marc
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posted 08-03-1999 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Nate,
You pose two very different questions.

1. As to the NWO, we should not fear it as Christians. The NWO or global government is simply the fulfillment of prophecy and a sign of the end times. What Christians need to do is to understand that any global government will be hostile to Christianity and the persecution Christians around the globe face will start to come to America.

2. Why should Christians be against socialism? Mostly because, socialism has at its root a disrespect for personal property and personal rights.

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posted 08-03-1999 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vic   Click Here to Email Vic     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 1296361   Reply w/Quote
Nate,

The main problem with the New World Order is that it is all base on a Luciferian Government without God. If you were to do some diving into the subject you would see that the U.N., for instance, has roots in Alice Baily and Robert Muller New age phylosophies. And they are trying to implement them to the United States Schools. You would also find the a good portion of our executive government is in the CFR and also Rhoades Scholars. Which Cecil Rhoades was also big in the occult and formed plans for a New World Socialistic Order. AntiChrist is supposed to step into this "New World Order" as ruler. You should do some checking out in our "Research Center/Socialism" section. You may find out some really interesting stuff..!


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Automatic Nate
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posted 08-03-1999 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Automatic Nate   Click Here to Email Automatic Nate     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Marc:
And whence the connection between personal property and Christianity? And besides that, it seems from accounts coming out of Nicaragua (Leonardo Boff has a book about them, but I've forgotten the title) that the U.S.-sponsored Contra terrorists had far less concern for human life than did the mostly-Catholic Sandanistas.

Vic:
I see where the one world government has non-God roots, but so did the Roman empire that was in control when Paul wrote Romans 13. Why is socialism (which in Latin America often is a Christian movement, kind of like Acts 4) more evil than the paganistic government of Rome?

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posted 08-03-1999 08:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
I'm afraid Marc is right on this one.

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posted 08-05-1999 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
The New World Order will not just persecute Christians, they will kill them. It will be very hard to remain a Christian and stay alive when the New World Order comes about. Of course it will be possible, and many will it's not going to be easy, because without the "mark of the beast" microchip implant you won't be able to buy or sell. Of course you don't want to accept the mark or you will be eternally lost. Hope that helped some!

In Christ,
Psypher

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Automatic Nate
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posted 08-05-1999 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Automatic Nate   Click Here to Email Automatic Nate     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Psypher:
Has it occurred to you that Revelation might have nothing to do with microchips?

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posted 08-05-1999 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vic   Click Here to Email Vic     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 1296361   Reply w/Quote
Nate,

Has it occurred to you that Revelation might have everything to do with chips..? Explain why you think it might not..


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posted 08-05-1999 07:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 1296361   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys. Can one of you explain what the 'New World Order' is? Thanx--sincere

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Automatic Nate
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posted 08-05-1999 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Automatic Nate   Click Here to Email Automatic Nate     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Vic:
I think it's a better bet that Revelation has nothing to do with computer chips. It is a work written to a particular group of people dealing with particular problems, among them persecution by the Roman empire, the source of much of Revelation's symbolism. The people to whom John wrote had a ton of things to worry about, but none of them was silicon-based.

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Matt_,

Go to the ChristWatch Research Center and look in the socialism section.. You will find some info there..

Nate,

Go to this site and read it.. I wrote this a while back.. And you may find a few typos but the info is still valid.
http://www.christwatch.com/The_End/index.html


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Automatic Nate
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posted 08-06-1999 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Automatic Nate   Click Here to Email Automatic Nate     Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Vic:
Do you give any credence to the theory that 666 was the number of Nero Caesar and that the "mark of the beast" referred to the tattoo of emperor worshippers?

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Marc
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Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

This could be a microchip, it could be something else - who knows? But another way to look at it is this. The right hand has always been considered the work or favored hand and 'on his forehead' could be translated as 'in his forehead'. Thus someone who worships the beast may not need an implant, he will be known by his works or his beleifs. Just a thought.

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Marc
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posted 08-06-1999 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   UIN: 76727965   Reply w/Quote
Oh No, Larry and I agree on something too!

Hi Larry!

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Marc
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<< Do you give any credence to the theory that 666 was the number of Nero Caesar and that the "mark of the beast" referred to the tattoo of emperor worshippers? >>

This is based on Gematria. in Hebrew and Greek, the letters of the alphabet were also used as the basis for the number system. Thus some words will make up a number, etc. The problem is that Latin does not use this. Thus every year several people are held up as the beast based on some number scheme that equals 666. My personal favorite is Barney.

Barney is a:
Cute Purple Dinosaur. Change the characters to Roman Numerial Equivilents, drop any characters that don't match. You get:

CV VL DIV which equals
100 + 5 + 5 + 50 + 500 + 1 + 5 which is:
Oh No: 666!

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Marc
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On a more serious note, do a search for 666 in the OT. You will find one reference. It is the tribute paid to Solomon. Is there a connection?

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<< And whence the connection between personal property and Christianity? >>
Genesis, Exodus, Ruth, Ezekiel, it goes on and on. One way to outline the bible is as a story of property. And property is more than land, it is also possessions of any kind. At it's root, socialism wants the government to own everything because the government knows how to handle it better than you do.

<< And besides that, it seems from accounts coming out of Nicaragua (Leonardo Boff has a book about them, but I've forgotten the title) that the U.S.-sponsored Contra terrorists had far less concern for human life than did the mostly-Catholic Sandanistas. >>

Hey, who denies that. It is not pertinent to the question. There are bad socialists too! There are also some good socialists.

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posted 08-07-1999 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JR   Click Here to Email JR     Edit/Delete Message     Reply w/Quote
Hey Marc, your statement
<<< On a more serious note, do a search for 666 in the OT. You will find one reference. It is the tribute paid to Solomon. Is there a connection? >>> triggered a possible connection alert. The Masons have a Solomon connection in that they name their organization after the master builders or masons of Solomon’s temple. They are also linked to the Illuminati/Protocols idea of building the perfect one world Government.


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JR:
Very good. Let's look at a couple of items.

The Magen David - Star of David. This was not used in King David's time. The earliest known examples of this that I am aware of date to about the 300 AD. Based on some evidence, it was originally a Hebrew cultic symbol, not a symbol of Israel (which has always been the seven-headed Menorah).

A six sided star is very interesting because six is the number of man. The number of Holiness is five and completion is seven. A God fearing nation would not have used a six-sided star as their symbol.

What is the number of the beast? 666. Definitely a number of a man, not of God or completion

What was the hallmark of Solomon's reign? the building of the temple. What was Solomon's greatest problem? his turning away from the Lord and embracing the pagan religions of the land. Is there a connection? I think that the number of the beast is simply the recognition that the beast will be the person who is instrumental in helping Israel rebuild the temple, who will then desecrate that temple, etc.

I am not looking for any magic numbers or tattoos on peoples heads (i.e. The Omen, a flawed but good movie).

Back to the Star of David. There were supposedly many instances of six used in Solomon's palace. Six steps to the throne, six lions on the steps, etc. etc. Some people believe that the Star of David can be attributed to Solomon.

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Marc
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Matt:
The NWO is the breakaway arm of the WWF headed by Hollywood Hulk Hogan -- Macho Man

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Marc
You said

"A six sided star is very interesting because six is the number of man. The number of Holiness is five and completion is seven. A God fearing nation would not have used a six-sided star as their symbol."

I have heard this kind of idea expressed before by various people, but I can't seem to find any place in scripture that supports such a system of numerology. One exception: IN revalation 666 is said to be the number of man. Did you get this from scripture? If so could you point me to the passages? I am very intrigued. Ken01

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Psypher

You said

"The New World Order will not just persecute Christians, they will kill them. It will be very hard to remain a Christian and stay alive when the New World Order comes about. Of course it will be possible, and many will it's not going to be easy, because without the "mark of the beast" microchip implant you won't be able to buy or sell. Of course you don't want to accept the mark or you will be eternally lost. Hope that helped some!"

Where do you come up with this stuff? This is all speculation and conjecture. Mark of the beast MICROCHIP?? I must have missed that chapter.

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Ken01,
Good question. Just like the Trinity, bibical numerology is not spelled out in a verse. You have to look at the entire text and the way things occur.

Seven is considered the number of completion becaus of the number of lists that contain seven items.

The 'I am' statements, the 'I will' statements, Christ as the lampstand with six branches, etc.

Same for six and five.

If you would like, I can post a list of the most common numbers.

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Marc

That would be great, but are you sure this system is as clear throughout scripture as the trinity? That is a pretty bold statement. I would definitly be interested in looking into some of the scriptures you speak of. But please understand I am somewhat skeptical. Not that I doubt your motives or research, rather I'm just that way towards anything I'm not familiar with. Post away! It might be fun. Ken01

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I just caught this forum and I would like to answer one question that nate posed earlier.

that is why villanize socialism? Actually socialism as man sees it today is a terrible villan. it destroys to spirit of man in very devastating ways. It robs man of his initiative spirit. it causes man to depend on government rather than himself or God.

I see evidences of it already in this country. In the last two elections, fear of kid "being straved because of cuts in school lunches". As if the government can't feed children they will starve because parents can't do it. The more we become dependent on government the more independance we will loose. We ned to stand against socialism whether in the form of communism, enviromentalism, or just being told that government knows best.

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